Wednesday, October 28, 2009
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Oy,.. its me again.. forgive me for my ignorance but can you bother explain me why this is a racist leaflet?
I ve read the damn thing a thousand times..
Still.. no clue why this is a RACIST leaflet.. maybe my English are not as good as yours.. so please enlighten me.
For the beginning i would like to state that i am not an APOEL Fan so i hope you can credit me a small amount of objectiveness
lets take the racist leaflet and read it all over once more.
It starts by saying the history of APOEL (Athletic football club of the Greeks of Nicosia)
that was founded on Nov.08 1926
and talks a little bit about the achievements of Apoel and how many titles it won.. 50 that is
Is this historically accurate? The answer is yes.
Then it spends some time talking about the contribution of Apoel to the political live of the island back in the old days and how it supported the EOKA fight against the Brits. (Cyprus used to be a colony)
is this historically accurate?
Is this racist? Why? I don't have anything against the british i like london i love British women and Arsenal as well. But fighting against a Colonial empire is not Racism. Americans fought as well and many others. if anything is Racist that is the British empire and all kinds of empires. A fight for freedom is not RACISM.
Ok now that we set that straight lets get to the needy greedy.
The leaflet says that APOEL fought for the political union with ''mother land Greece''
ok again.. is this historically accurate?
Yes, not only Apoel but left wings clubs and political parties as AKEL and practically ALL of the Greek cypriots when they used to be under the British rule supported the reunification with Greece because back then there was no such thing as Independent Cyprus state and no one believed that Cypriots could handle it on their own and the only logical escape from the British empire was to be united with Greece just like the Case of Crete because 82% of the population used to be Greeks and many of the Turkish Cypriots were practically Muslim Greeks that did not even speak turkish properly so by that time union with Greece seemed like a good idea..
With nowdays terms Do i or WE GreekCypriots support the unification with Greece?
Ofcourse not, we are now an independent country within the EU why on earth would we want to reduse us into a bloody Greek island? But back then that was the historical truth, APOEL and etc fought the british and demanded self declaration to be 100% historically accurate.
And that it is what is said on the leaflet.
is this Racist so far?
If saying that fighting for your freedom is racist so well be it.
Ok and now lets get really dirty..I don't like talking about this stuff i prefer to see the future ahead and all, but guys you leave me no choice with this attitude.
The leaflet says that many of his fun's fought the Turks during the barbaric Turkish Invasion or.. as you Turks say ''Peaceful operation''
Firstly lets clarify the terms.
I wouldn't personally use the term barbaric because i don't like to characterise. But the thing is some facts happened back in 1974.
I know many of you Turkish Cypriots may not know a lot of those facts that i ll mention later on due to propaganda and isolation but this does not mean that they did not happen, you can goggle them if you dispute them.
Allow me a big bracket here. It is necessary for unfolding my argument; the specific Characterisation of this historic event cannot be considered as racism.
so lets go,
Makarios despite all the shitty things he had done at the past after 1964 changed policy and no longer supported the Union with Greece and he declaired elections for the people of cyprus to decide if they wanted to continue the ''enosis idea'' or change and support the independent Cyprus state.
Takis Evdokas, who ran on a platform for unification with Greece, looses with a VAST defeat while receiving only 8,577 votes. Up to that point and later on Cyprus turns a page and prefers to be indypented than unite with Greece or Turkey. The date is 1964.
In 1967, a military junta seized power in Athens, and the relationship between the regime and Makarios was tense. Makarios held that the regime undermined his authority by supporting paramilitary organisations committed to enosis and aslo trying to assassinate him in 1970. Cyprus democratically elected government and nearly all Cypriots stop supporting enosis with a dictatorial regime. Greece that is. The dictatorial regime however tried once again to overthrown Makarios in 1974 using a Greek officers that served in the island and some few but armed extremist right winger GreekCypriots (probably those 8,577 who supported Evdokas)
This time they succeeded using brute military force and by killing many Cypriots who tried to defend their Independence. Makarios accused Greece of having invaded Cyprus and of posing a threat to all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish Cypriot
meanwhile .. ANOTHER military dictatorial regime (turkey) who always liked the idea of a Turkish Cyprus and had prepared the desire of TAXIM with propaganda in the Turkish Cypriot community that to tell the truth also suffered many from the right winged GreekCypriots extremist who later overthrown Makarios. So Turkey saw an opportunity window to bisect Cyprus in half. And by taking advantage an anomaly in the constitution that Greek - Turkey and the Brits had an obligation to protect Cyprus Independence so they INVADED to ''bring peace to the island'' ..
i don't know how you define peace ...
Now i know that many Tc died as well during the war and before that as well but that was not from the majority of the people but because of some armed extremist who were trying to perform enosis no mater what without respect to anyone else. So blame them not all of us. Blame the Nazis not all g
Innocent people Tc and GC were forced out of their houses and innocent people were killed by Greek and Turkish troops..
But during the Turkish invasion mate, No matter what you say, Turkish troops tried to do an ethnic cleansing to the North part of the island.
and the prove is:
200,000 Innocent unarmed Greek cypriots were force out of their houses and
5,000 died during this... ''peaceful operation''.
Rapes murders and prisoner executions. mmm.. smells like peace..
And till today 200.000 Greek Cypriots are not allowed to go back to their places. (thats the big deal)
So with this FACTS how can you call this peace?
needless to say that the Turkish invasion took place in 2 parts with the second part that conquered the most of the grounds of the now called TRNC being executed a month later after the Coup that overthrown Makarios. So the argument that Turks were trying to overthrown dictator Sampson that took power by force in place of Makarios is not legitimate. Turks were trying to conquer Cyprus and thats all.. Lets all do a favour to our selves and acknowledge this facts.
End of brackets here.
considering all this facts it is at least legitimate to write on the leaflet the term ''barbaric Turkish invasion''
its not racist its a Historic Fact and moreover War is always a Barbaric act. So pardon me for this opinion.
I guess if we agreed that historical truth cannot be accepted as racism we can proceed to the final part of the leaflet.
The part that says that Turkey cannot Join the Eu while continuing to ignore European obligations.
I guess this is the racist part ...?
So Angela Merkel Gordon Brown Nicola Sarkosy are Nazis.. (?)
I mean All the above stated that they prefer a premium collaboration with Turkey rather than full membership... so they must be Nazis... right?
What are the Racist Apoel Funs Saying?
Apoel Funs if you read carefully disagree with all the above politicians and state CLEARLY that
Turkey is WELCOMED to Join the EU. And as Cypriots believe me we all WANT Turkey to become a European Country as soon as possible, But you cannot just get the name and the euros and everything is Rainbows and daisies Turkey needs to Respect the European constitution and her obligations towards it in order to became a European country.
I cannot see how you can do this while keeping military forces to the island that prohibit Greek Cypriots to go back to their legally owned houses and habit them. The ownership of GC is recently validated by the European supreme court. Tc politicians cannot Sell the land of Greek Cypriots to foreigners and make money. Thats what happening in North part open your eyes (unless if you make money by selling Greek properties witch i doubt) That land was conquered by force its not legally yours. The human rights declaration forbids that. And recently Germany, a truly European country returned properties to Jewish people exactly because of that. So if you Turks want to be European country better start acting like one. Stop blaming everyone else This is the lowest form of propaganda that corrupted leaders use to stay in power, they put the blame to the evil foreigners so they can take your votes. WAKE UP YOU GUYS.
You do know that ALL European citizens are allowed to live in wherever part of Europe they wish right? How on earth Turkey can come and say Greek Cypriots will not allowed to live and own property in North Cyprus. ? The rightfully owned land of theirs that were kicked out back in 1974 by force. How on bloody earth can you say that and accuse us for racism?
Everybody can go and buy land at North Cyprus Everybody except the racist Greek Cypriots who want to be able to enjoy their properties in the North and their European human rights.!!!. How racist of them..
Sorry mate.. look at the bloody mirror.. I am afraid you are the evil witch of the fairytale.
I agree that You can accuse APOEL fans for many things at that game like for bringing political leaflets at a football game or for being Right wingers but you cannot accuse them for RAcism. BECAUSE the leaflets had nothing to do with racism.
Please point to me any racist context in the leaflet so we can discuss it.
It’s encouraging to see such a full and informative reply from Kyriacos published in NCFP. It’s rare indeed that the views from a GC prespective are allowed to appear anywhere pertaining to the north of Cyprus. And I’d also add that reasonably minded TCs, Turks or Brits can’t argue with the main points he laid out.
As you can see I’ve left your comments untouched as I have your link to a Greek language blog. Some people would not want that but as Editor I’d like to get through the history and onto a Cyprus fit for Cypriots.
I’ll leave the real comments to Fevzi Hussein when he has time. “Cyprus is Greek” and enosis is inflammatory to some Cypriots. The leaflet tries to be subtle by merely displaying Greek flags and calling Greek Cypriots Greeks but the undertone is there. Personally the leaflet means nothing to me but I’ll leave UEFA to decide just as they have in the past when they found APOEL fans guilty of racism.
which he has now done in the “Apoel fans accused of new racist action against Turks” article
yeah i know mate, the subtone and all, i agree that this kind of leaflet has nothing to do with football but really RACIST? its a strong word and accepting that its like saying that all APoel football fans are Racist .. ergoes all GCypriots Are racist so… GreekCypriots want to Kill T C and drink their blood like Denktash says…so.. its better if the 2 communities in a future solution be as separate as possible.
So we should accept that GreekCypriots should not be able to live at Kerynia free as all other European Citizens because they are coldblooded monsters that want to kill Turkish Cypriots.
Sorry mate i cannot accept this. Its to F**insulting
Apoel Should ofcourse be punished for bringing political baners and leaflet at a game because But lets not go as far and accusing them for Racism agains TurkishCypriots That is a major load of Crap and you all know it guys.