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Απάντηση: Πλημμυρίζει το δικό μου σπίτι ΜΑΛΑΚΕΣ..


Κλείνω όπως όπως εισιτήριο για κύπρο.. Αφήνω τον πρώτο κόσμο και οδεύω πίσω στον τρίτο να τανίσω της μητέρας και του πατέρα στο καθάρισμα του πατρικού..
Με τις πρώτες βροχές στο Κυπριστάν το σπίτι μετατράπηκε σε λίμνη βάθους ενός μέτρου..
Οι ιθαγενείς κοιτάζουν ψηλά στον ουρανό και ασπάζονται το θεό... ''Εβρεξε πολλές βροσιες'' ''ετσι νερά εν ε ξανάδες''

ε, αλίμονο...


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ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΒΑΡΙΕΜΑΙ..

ΔΙΑΛΌΓΟΥ ΜΟΝΌΛΟΓΟΙ Η ΣΥΝΈΧΕΙΑ..



Oy,.. its me again.. forgive me for my ignorance but can you bother explain me why this is a racist leaflet?

I ve read the damn thing a thousand times..

Still.. no clue why this is a RACIST leaflet.. maybe my English are not as good as yours.. so please enlighten me.

For the beginning i would like to state that i am not an APOEL Fan so i hope you can credit me a small amount of objectiveness

lets take the racist leaflet and read it all over once more.

It starts by saying the history of APOEL (Athletic football club of the Greeks of Nicosia)

that was founded on Nov.08 1926

and talks a little bit about the achievements of Apoel and how many titles it won.. 50 that is

Is this historically accurate? The answer is yes.

Then it spends some time talking about the contribution of Apoel to the political live of the island back in the old days and how it supported the EOKA fight against the Brits. (Cyprus used to be a colony)

is this historically accurate?

Is this racist? Why? I don't have anything against the british i like london i love British women and Arsenal as well. But fighting against a Colonial empire is not Racism. Americans fought as well and many others. if anything is Racist that is the British empire and all kinds of empires. A fight for freedom is not RACISM.

Ok now that we set that straight lets get to the needy greedy.

The leaflet says that APOEL fought for the political union with ''mother land Greece''

ok again.. is this historically accurate?

Yes, not only Apoel but left wings clubs and political parties as AKEL and practically ALL of the Greek cypriots when they used to be under the British rule supported the reunification with Greece because back then there was no such thing as Independent Cyprus state and no one believed that Cypriots could handle it on their own and the only logical escape from the British empire was to be united with Greece just like the Case of Crete because 82% of the population used to be Greeks and many of the Turkish Cypriots were practically Muslim Greeks that did not even speak turkish properly so by that time union with Greece seemed like a good idea..

With nowdays terms Do i or WE GreekCypriots support the unification with Greece?

Ofcourse not, we are now an independent country within the EU why on earth would we want to reduse us into a bloody Greek island? But back then that was the historical truth, APOEL and etc fought the british and demanded self declaration to be 100% historically accurate.

And that it is what is said on the leaflet.

is this Racist so far?

If saying that fighting for your freedom is racist so well be it.

Ok and now lets get really dirty..I don't like talking about this stuff i prefer to see the future ahead and all, but guys you leave me no choice with this attitude.

The leaflet says that many of his fun's fought the Turks during the barbaric Turkish Invasion or.. as you Turks say ''Peaceful operation''

Firstly lets clarify the terms.

I wouldn't personally use the term barbaric because i don't like to characterise. But the thing is some facts happened back in 1974.

I know many of you Turkish Cypriots may not know a lot of those facts that i ll mention later on due to propaganda and isolation but this does not mean that they did not happen, you can goggle them if you dispute them.

Allow me a big bracket here. It is necessary for unfolding my argument; the specific Characterisation of this historic event cannot be considered as racism.

so lets go,

Makarios despite all the shitty things he had done at the past after 1964 changed policy and no longer supported the Union with Greece and he declaired elections for the people of cyprus to decide if they wanted to continue the ''enosis idea'' or change and support the independent Cyprus state.

Takis Evdokas, who ran on a platform for unification with Greece, looses with a VAST defeat while receiving only 8,577 votes. Up to that point and later on Cyprus turns a page and prefers to be indypented than unite with Greece or Turkey. The date is 1964.

In 1967, a military junta seized power in Athens, and the relationship between the regime and Makarios was tense. Makarios held that the regime undermined his authority by supporting paramilitary organisations committed to enosis and aslo trying to assassinate him in 1970. Cyprus democratically elected government and nearly all Cypriots stop supporting enosis with a dictatorial regime. Greece that is. The dictatorial regime however tried once again to overthrown Makarios in 1974 using a Greek officers that served in the island and some few but armed extremist right winger GreekCypriots (probably those 8,577 who supported Evdokas)

This time they succeeded using brute military force and by killing many Cypriots who tried to defend their Independence. Makarios accused Greece of having invaded Cyprus and of posing a threat to all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish Cypriot

meanwhile .. ANOTHER military dictatorial regime (turkey) who always liked the idea of a Turkish Cyprus and had prepared the desire of TAXIM with propaganda in the Turkish Cypriot community that to tell the truth also suffered many from the right winged GreekCypriots extremist who later overthrown Makarios. So Turkey saw an opportunity window to bisect Cyprus in half. And by taking advantage an anomaly in the constitution that Greek - Turkey and the Brits had an obligation to protect Cyprus Independence so they INVADED to ''bring peace to the island'' ..

i don't know how you define peace ...

Now i know that many Tc died as well during the war and before that as well but that was not from the majority of the people but because of some armed extremist who were trying to perform enosis no mater what without respect to anyone else. So blame them not all of us. Blame the Nazis not all g

Germans.

Innocent people Tc and GC were forced out of their houses and innocent people were killed by Greek and Turkish troops..

But during the Turkish invasion mate, No matter what you say, Turkish troops tried to do an ethnic cleansing to the North part of the island.

and the prove is:

200,000 Innocent unarmed Greek cypriots were force out of their houses and

5,000 died during this... ''peaceful operation''.

Rapes murders and prisoner executions. mmm.. smells like peace..

And till today 200.000 Greek Cypriots are not allowed to go back to their places. (thats the big deal)

So with this FACTS how can you call this peace?

needless to say that the Turkish invasion took place in 2 parts with the second part that conquered the most of the grounds of the now called TRNC being executed a month later after the Coup that overthrown Makarios. So the argument that Turks were trying to overthrown dictator Sampson that took power by force in place of Makarios is not legitimate. Turks were trying to conquer Cyprus and thats all.. Lets all do a favour to our selves and acknowledge this facts.


End of brackets here.

considering all this facts it is at least legitimate to write on the leaflet the term ''barbaric Turkish invasion''

its not racist its a Historic Fact and moreover War is always a Barbaric act. So pardon me for this opinion.

I guess if we agreed that historical truth cannot be accepted as racism we can proceed to the final part of the leaflet.

The part that says that Turkey cannot Join the Eu while continuing to ignore European obligations.

I guess this is the racist part ...?

So Angela Merkel Gordon Brown Nicola Sarkosy are Nazis.. (?)

I mean All the above stated that they prefer a premium collaboration with Turkey rather than full membership... so they must be Nazis... right?

But wait..

What are the Racist Apoel Funs Saying?

Apoel Funs if you read carefully disagree with all the above politicians and state CLEARLY that

Turkey is WELCOMED to Join the EU. And as Cypriots believe me we all WANT Turkey to become a European Country as soon as possible, But you cannot just get the name and the euros and everything is Rainbows and daisies Turkey needs to Respect the European constitution and her obligations towards it in order to became a European country.

I cannot see how you can do this while keeping military forces to the island that prohibit Greek Cypriots to go back to their legally owned houses and habit them. The ownership of GC is recently validated by the European supreme court. Tc politicians cannot Sell the land of Greek Cypriots to foreigners and make money. Thats what happening in North part open your eyes (unless if you make money by selling Greek properties witch i doubt) That land was conquered by force its not legally yours. The human rights declaration forbids that. And recently Germany, a truly European country returned properties to Jewish people exactly because of that. So if you Turks want to be European country better start acting like one. Stop blaming everyone else This is the lowest form of propaganda that corrupted leaders use to stay in power, they put the blame to the evil foreigners so they can take your votes. WAKE UP YOU GUYS.

You do know that ALL European citizens are allowed to live in wherever part of Europe they wish right? How on earth Turkey can come and say Greek Cypriots will not allowed to live and own property in North Cyprus. ? The rightfully owned land of theirs that were kicked out back in 1974 by force. How on bloody earth can you say that and accuse us for racism?

Everybody can go and buy land at North Cyprus Everybody except the racist Greek Cypriots who want to be able to enjoy their properties in the North and their European human rights.!!!. How racist of them..

Sorry mate.. look at the bloody mirror.. I am afraid you are the evil witch of the fairytale.

I agree that You can accuse APOEL fans for many things at that game like for bringing political leaflets at a football game or for being Right wingers but you cannot accuse them for RAcism. BECAUSE the leaflets had nothing to do with racism.

Please point to me any racist context in the leaflet so we can discuss it.



Campbell Thomas

It’s encouraging to see such a full and informative reply from Kyriacos published in NCFP. It’s rare indeed that the views from a GC prespective are allowed to appear anywhere pertaining to the north of Cyprus. And I’d also add that reasonably minded TCs, Turks or Brits can’t argue with the main points he laid out.




Malcolm Channing

As you can see I’ve left your comments untouched as I have your link to a Greek language blog. Some people would not want that but as Editor I’d like to get through the history and onto a Cyprus fit for Cypriots.

I’ll leave the real comments to Fevzi Hussein when he has time. “Cyprus is Greek” and enosis is inflammatory to some Cypriots. The leaflet tries to be subtle by merely displaying Greek flags and calling Greek Cypriots Greeks but the undertone is there. Personally the leaflet means nothing to me but I’ll leave UEFA to decide just as they have in the past when they found APOEL fans guilty of racism.

which he has now done in the “Apoel fans accused of new racist action against Turks” article
Editor


KYRIACOS

yeah i know mate, the subtone and all, i agree that this kind of leaflet has nothing to do with football but really RACIST? its a strong word and accepting that its like saying that all APoel football fans are Racist .. ergoes all GCypriots Are racist so… GreekCypriots want to Kill T C and drink their blood like Denktash says…so.. its better if the 2 communities in a future solution be as separate as possible.
So we should accept that GreekCypriots should not be able to live at Kerynia free as all other European Citizens because they are coldblooded monsters that want to kill Turkish Cypriots.
Sorry mate i cannot accept this. Its to F**insulting

Apoel Should ofcourse be punished for bringing political baners and leaflet at a game because But lets not go as far and accusing them for Racism agains TurkishCypriots That is a major load of Crap and you all know it guys.


Malcolm Channing

So, you think UEFA won’t find the banners and leaflets racist? If they don’t then that’ll mean you’re probably right and it’s something being made out of nothing. It’s just that having been brought up amongst the 50’s and 60’s racism in West Ham in London at first I thought only the blatant racist remarks counted. That was until I started listening to the targets of racism. I assume you’ve LISTENED to Turkish Cypriots?


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  • listen mate i am not being a jackass here, ofcourse by london standards the leaflets have a racist undertone in them but you ignore the major Fact That Turkey occupies the North part of the island for 35 years now and each and every day degrates GreekCypriots by infringement really basic human rights of them like not allowing to enjoy their properties on the North.
    You need to see the big picture here
    Greek Cypriots and only Greek Cypriots are the ones really being discriminated in Cyprus Today by the literal mean of Racism, Turkish Cypriots are allowed to move back to their houses on the south and take a refund for the mistreat they’ve been through all those years, Greek Goverment is willing to rebuild their houses the next day after the settlement but even now They are allowed to work vote buy sell property, get married take photos like every other European citizen in Cyprus. I from the other hand had recently my camera removed on the North part of cyprus by a police officer with the accusation of ‘’spying TRNC” Do you consider this correct? Do you consider correct the illegal resell of GreekCypriot property to Foreigners and not let GreekCypriots habit the South because they will pollute the turkisness of it? Consider hardcore Apoel funs as the Malcom X of Cyprus. By todays standards yes, malom X’s speeches was a reverse racism but at that time Blacks were not able to enter a bloody bus move freely between states or Vote in America.

    What i am trying to say is that as long a huge anomaly like turkey occupation continues you cannot that easily accuse Apoel funs for racism just for a bloody leaflet with an explicit content or a banner.
    Really do you believe that if the average Cypriot was able to freely enjoy his property at Famagousta without Greeks and Turkish Guns above his head he would bother write and click print on his pc for that leaflet?
    After a settlement that will restore All human rights on the island believe me Greek and Turkish Cypriots would have more serious things to bother about than printing banners.

    When that day comes, this kind of banners will extinct right the next day. And if they don’t i ll be the first to prosecute this kind of behaviour.

    But until then you cannot act like everything is OK and the racist GreekCypriots are being provocative.

    Because everything is nothing but ok.
    And i am afraid that until then we have the right to inform about the situation on the island. And thats exactly what that leaflet tried to do in a malcom’s X sort of way.


    Campbell "Pte Pike" Thomas

    I wonder how many people have seen “Kibris Turktur” painted on walls in many parts of north Cyprus? And I wonder how many expats living in north Cyprus complained to the Turkish authorities about this openly racist slogan. After all, it does mean “Cyprus is Turkish”.

    Malcolm Channing

    I’ve not, has anybody seen these on walls? Have they been seen by millions of people around the world? I doubt it. It wasn’t you doing it Pikey, to make a point?

    1. Malcolm Channing

      As I said, UEFA decides not me so you might be better off explaining to them why racism at the APOEL match was justified.

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    2. So thats how it is Malcolm, it all comes to the mighty power of the LAW.. Ok i respect that. besides.. No one is above the LAW everyone should respect the LAW.. Right?
      Well… not quite..
      Listen mate.. If Uefa punish Apoel you better be sure that Apoel will comply immediately and of course we will respect the uefa decision, like we respected many other decisions of all the organizations we participate into as a country. If only Turkey acted the same way.. But i guess is just too much to ask.. right?
      Well.. allow me to remind you some Eu Court decisions and some UN resolutions that turkey tossed into the trash can just because it is a military super power and does not give a damn about any other institution or higher ethic values except the .GUN.
      Its not just the ports and its not just the Orams case. ..If i start Recalling resolutions for the Cyprus problem i ll be probably writing for a week. And if i had a British pound for each and every one of them.. imagine 1687 Un resolutions! Wow.. i could buy Coventry with that amount of money :)

      For example Resolution 365 says that Varosia should be returned to the Greek Cypriots because it was an empty town and just not enough Turkish Cypriots existed back them nor exist today to habit them and at the same time there were 200.000 Greek Cypriots refuges that were living (if they were lucky) on tent Shelters without water, food, heat, nor toilets due to the peaceful opp. Attila2.5 But guess what, Turkey kept it close – a Ghost Town- for nearly 30 years and till today they refuse to let the rightful owners return. They rather left one of the most historic cities in Europe rotten and collapse.
      The UN later notes in another more resent resolution: ”We are Deeply concerned about recent threats for settlement of Varosha by people other than its inhabitants”

      ..but who Cares.. ”So we kept a City Closed for 30 years.. So we bring Kurds and Turks from Turkey we baptise them as TC and give them European passports and Greek Cypriot houses to get rid of them.. Whats the big deal?.. Apoel Fans printed a racist leaflet!.. oh shush will you! we will give a playstation to the refugees so they can play one by one every day.. in 200.000 days they will all be happy”..

      if you’ve grown up in west ham amongst the 60’s as you say my friend Malcolm, except from being old (i am only 24) :) you are probably familiar with Enoch Powell, right?
      And you are probably aware of how he inflated racist feelings among the brits.
      And You do know why he was so dangerous and influential.. Right?
      .. Because he wore a suit mate and because he was a politician.
      A respectable person not a football fan who printed a stupid flyer.
      Be aware of those people not a bunch of teenagers..

      peace out.

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    3. Malcolm Channing

      Out of interest, how did you vote in the April 2004 referendum? If the vote had been YES then Turkish troops would have been reduced to up to 6000 by 2011. Now that’s what trusting politicians gets you, don’t care what country you’re talking about.





      kyriacos

      .. I ll be glad to answer your question Malcolm,

      Of course major part in the outcome of the referendum played the speech of Tassos Papadopoulos who raised some serious questions on the Annan Plan. i ll unfold his arguments later on. But Firstly give me an opportunity to thank you for this conversation. Really kind of you giving me the chance to enlighten some issues, since most of the time we are just being quipped, because of our choice to say NO on the referendum.

      Now many said that the ANNAN plan was a fair solution, again it all comes on how you define fairness.

      Don’t get me wrong but i think you brits really underestimate GreekCypriots ever since And think of us as a bunch of sensationalists arrogant talkers who want it all for them selves ignoring the fact that Cypriots are one of the most educated people in Europe (I am not being self indulgent here, blame eurostats for that). ;) But seriously you really think that we voted No because Papadopoulos tricked us? Or because we are a bunch of selfish pricks who want it all? The Annan plan was unacceptable mate. We don’t ask for more so we can get the half in advantage of the Turkish Cypriots We think a fair solution will benefit both of us. .. we only Ask for the pretty basic for 35 years now WE ask for our humans rights to be restored nothing less nothing more. We wan’t a country like Brighten that The colour of your skin or the type of your Race does not play ANY part what so ever at ANYTHING Why you can have this and we don’t? Yes i acknowledge the fact that ANNAN plan had some REALLY good points like the return of some ground and the removal of some troops. we knew all that when we voted, and it wasn’t easy some of us voted NO with tears in their eyes. We knew that if we had said no Many refugees that would otherwise have return wouldn’t return and turkish troops wouldn’t be reduced. We knew all that and i wish we could say yes i really wanted to say YES but how could i?
      Knowing that if i said yes that would meant that Turkish and Greek Troops would had stayed FOREVER in the island with my approval. The Annan Plan did not Gave the pretty basic that we asked: FUll demilitarization of the island.
      And not only that if we said yes We would be the only country in the world that 3 other countries Greece Turkey and England would have the Right to INVATE us. Further more We would have been the only country in Europe that the people both Greek Cypriots And Turkish Cypriots would not had been able to move along freelly in their own land because of a Racist Law builted in our Constitution. IN Contrast All other Europeans would have the right to buy sell habit vote Freely in our Country (and off course they Should) but We want the same as well! If this is a Maximalist demand then forgive me for being such a person.

      Papadopoulos promised in his speech that he would have tried to remove those unaccepted terms off the plan.

      a) Not Full demilitarization
      B) The right to Move freely in our own country regardless the type of your race.
      C) No more Mother Lands having the ‘right’ to invade us.

      He failed so he lost the elections, as simple as that.

      I don’t care if Kerynia or Gerne belongs to Turks or Cypriots . I want the right to Move in Freely without any stupid apartheid rule inside my constitution saying that if you are GreekC then you cannot buy a house there. Or if you are a Turkish Cypriot you cannot buy a house in Larnaka.
      Why on earth we Cypriots should we continue on the divide and conquer rule of the British empire? (no offence Malcolm)

      As i said many times before Ofcource i want the Cyprus problem to be solved TOMORROW if possible but not with trying to marry western thought with the law of the jungle! The rude of the problem is the build in racist way of thinking of the Average Turk who wants to be CLEAN and unpolluted. If Turks ever grow up and adopt the western way of thinking then the problem will automatically be solved. But Changing the basic rules of the Human right declaration OR the principles where EU is created for Turkey to Fit IN… I am deeply Sorry i cannot get along with this.

      If the Turks really though like we do in European terms then they would had felt the need to remove that preposterous flag off that beautiful mountain and plant some trees.

      Instead they come every Summer from Turkey remove any vegetation from the flag and then re-paint the rocks so we can read clearly that they are proud to be the way they are.

      Fair be it işte böyle..

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      • I meant a country like Britain :) not brighten.. … or maybee i meant Brighton..?


        What i am trying to say in plain English is that:

        Turks think of the solution as a sum zero mathematical question that if one of us gain then the other will loose. Which is not the case at all. As modern economics tough us life does not work like this. In real life Both sides can benefit as long as the basic (economic) freedoms are being respected.

        Imagine Cyprus as a broken piece of equipment. If we fix it right and let it work free it will produce wealth that both sides will benefit from. One side might benefit 7 and the other side 3 but both sides will make profit that before fixing the machine wouldn’t be able to make. If the one side tries to hijack the machine by putting regulations to gain more than it deserves then it won’t work you need to respect the basic Freedoms. You cannot say ok lets fix it and not really fixing it. By Just saying you fixed it and still preserve the fundamental flaws of that (like the division) It will still not work.

        Don’t you get it?

        The foreigners don’t really care about Cyprus prosperity they just want to get rid of the problem with as less political cost as possible so they made up a stupid plan that had it both ways.

        You think that the Brits would had ever apply ANNAN plan on Great Britain?
        ..yeah.. if they wanted to become LAME Britain..

        You need to realize something here. The GC did not said NO because they wanted partition like the ignorant TC of Denktash and Eroglou who voted NO want. The Greek Cypriots who voted NO want a UNITED cyprus not a fucked up piece of equipment that wont work. Turkish need to change their attitude and start act more European and respect the Basic Freedoms.

        You need to realize that we don’t really care if the solutions is called BiCommunal bizonal federation or a 2 different state solution or if TRNC is recognized, because even with a 2 state solution our legal deeds are still valid and always will be. Our Land on TRNC will ALWAYS be OURS as long as HUMAN Civilization exist. And if the World recognized TRNC ever decides to join the EU then it will have to let us move freely in Cyprus like every other eu citizen an let us go back to our houses in Gerne – Kerynia or whatever.

        Its THAT SIMPLE.

        We don’t care about the Name of the solution All we care about is that THe BASIC human rights like the right to go and settle wherever you want in your Country and in Europe to be RESPECTED. Thats all.
        if you wanna join Eu you must learn to be a multicultural country.
        As Friedman said, you may not have freedom where you got Capitalism but where you got Freedom you always Got Capitalism that prospers.
        Rule no1 of a prosperous Economy is Freedom!
        You just can’t get it both ways. A solution that is not 100% compatible with Eu standards simply will not work. It will perpetuate the division of Cyprus.

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        • ”you may not have freedom where you got Capitalism but where you got Freedom you always Got Capitalism that prospers.”

          Where is the word Capitalism Put the word SOLUTION and you ll get your answer to why GC said no.

          Thanks for your time Guys.
          Have a nice time.

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